【科技】大众、宝马和奔驰被中国电动汽车远远甩在身后_风闻

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Cyclonit

Lets not forget that this is by design of our economic system. Our system does not reward long term strategy. It only cares about short term investments. Investors can change horses any time. So why bother working on long term projects at all?

Also, the same investors that earned money by investing into European industries can pivot to betting against it, when the time comes and still make money out of it.

我们不要忘记，这正是我们的经济制度所设计的。我们的制度不奖励长期战略。它只关心短期投资。投资者可以随时换马。那么，为什么还要费心去做长期项目呢？

此外，那些通过投资欧洲工业赚钱的投资者可以在时机成熟时转向做空欧洲工业，并仍然从中赚钱。

turbo_dude

In the Anglo world I’d agree with that “no long term” but this is Germany you’re talking about where “change” is a dirty word. Everything is for the long term.

在盎格鲁世界，我同意“不是为了长期的”，但在德国，“改变”是一个肮脏的词。一切都是为了长远。

ButcherBob

The Netherlands

These two things dont correlate at all? Changes sometimes are needed for long term economic growth. Besides, hes talking about investors not governments.

这两件事完全没有关联？长期经济增长有时需要变革。此外，他说的是投资者而不是政府。

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lulzmachine

Sweden

China has an extremely rapid pace of change. Go there twice with 5 years between and you won’t recognize it anymore. But the government is investing super heavily into long term success for its companies and people

中国的变革速度极其迅速。去中国两次，中间间隔 5 年，你就认不出来了。中国政府正在为企业和人民的长期成功投入巨资。

FeeRemarkable886

Sweden

They built subway stations to nowhere and then built cities around them… That’s some sim city shit.

他们把地铁站建到了一个不知名的地方，然后在周围建起了城市……这简直就是在玩模拟城市

dubiouscoffee

USA

That’s how New York was built too actually. There are elevated rail lines to “nowhere” that became various dense neighborhoods.

事实上，纽约也是这样建造的。通往“不知名的地方”的高架铁路变成了各种密集的街区。

TheBunkerKing

Lapland

Yup, even Helsinki has done subway and local train station in the middle of fields or forests in anticipation of future growth. City planning has always been about long term, in every place cities are built in.

I work in a city planning office in a Finnish municipality, we’ve got roadmaps from 2020 to what the town is going to be like in 2050 in place, and every zoning decision is made according to the road map.

是的，甚至赫尔辛基也在田野或森林中修建了地铁站和地方火车站，以应对未来的发展。城市规划总是着眼于长远，每个地方的城市建设都是如此。

我在芬兰一个市政府的城市规划办公室工作，我们已经绘制了从2020年到2050年城市发展的路线图，每一个分区决策都是根据路线图做出的。

vergorli

its easy to change fast if you don’t have to care for mere annoyances like human rights or property rights. Or if you can just make the annoying billionaires disappear if they get too much influence.

如果你不必关心人权或财产权等烦人的问题，就很容易快速改变。或者，如果你可以让那些烦人的亿万富翁在影响力太大时消失。

GayoMagno

Yeah, much better to let you billionaires buy the biggest communication app in the world and let him spout random racist non sensical shit 24/7.

Not like im defending China here but I don’t really consider the US to be the golden paragon and an example to follow.

是的，最好让你们这些亿万富翁买下世界上最大的通讯应用，然后让他全天候随意吐出种族主义、无意义的废话。

我并不是在为中国辩护，但我真的不认为美国是黄金典范和学习榜样。

3f3nd1

Doesnt China subsidize its car industry heavily as it did with Solar?

中国不是像对太阳能那样大力补贴汽车工业吗？

flatfisher

France

Germany (and every European country with car manufacturers) subsidizes their car industry heavily too, just more indirectly.

德国（以及每个拥有汽车制造商的欧洲国家）也大力补贴其汽车工业，只是更加间接。

Henrarzz

Not just Europeans, every country is subsidizing car manufacturing, be it Italy, USA, Germany, Japan, China or Korea. China just decided to outspend them all

不仅是欧洲，每个国家都在补贴汽车制造，无论是意大利、美国、德国、日本、中国还是韩国。中国只是决定花更多的钱

Alendro95

FIAT/FCA group (now Stellantis) received something like 220 billion from Italy till today

菲亚特/FCA集团（现为Stellantis）截至目前从意大利获得了约2200亿欧元的资金

bl4ckhunter

Lazio

The difference is that Chinese companies are state controlled so the companies have to take that money and invest it in making the transition actually happen, we just give them a payday in the form of purchase subsidies and rebates and the car makers hike prices and use the extra profits to shit out more overpriced SUVs, line the pockets of the executives and delocalize.

不同之处在于，中国的公司是由国家控制的，因此公司必须把钱拿出来投资，实现真正的转型，而我们只是以购买补贴和回扣的形式给他们发工资，汽车制造商则提高价格，用额外的利润生产出更多价格过高的 SUV，填满高管的腰包，然后撤出本土。

tnatmr

Italy

The way German companies are subsidized and the way Chinese companies are subsidized aren’t comparable in the slightest.

德国企业的补贴方式和中国企业的补贴方式根本没有可比性。

FatFaceRikky

How is Germany subsidizing car companies?

德国如何补贴汽车公司？

herb28g

Company car privileges („Dienstwagenprivileg“) would be such a case, for example. And special forms of funding such as the scrappage bonus („Abwrackprämie“) and of course funding for EVs (currently suspended, but that doesn’t have to mean forever).

例如，公司汽车特权（“Dienstwagenprivileg”）。还有特殊形式的资金，例如报废奖金（“Abwrackprämie”），当然还有对电动汽车的资助（目前已暂停，但这并不意味着永远停止）。

FatFaceRikky

Those are for all cars, not only for domestically made cars

这些适用于所有汽车，不仅适用于国产汽车

herb28g

But since the majority of people in Germany buy German cars, it is beneficial.

但是，由于德国大多数人都购买德国汽车，因此这也是有利于国产的。

what_the_actual_luck

Germany

Yes. And clickbait is easier than real journalism. The “only” thing that differentiates European and US cars from China are the very excellent batteries, which will sooner or later also be done by western industries. Everything else is still significantly superior. Especially in the luxury segment. People underestimate the knowledge that goes into metal forming and manufacturing. China has been trying to catch up for over 50 years, yet they did not equalize yet.

Subsidies of up to 140% of battery costs are per definition part of subsidy-war. Dont bother

是的。设置点击诱饵比真正的新闻报道更容易。欧洲和美国汽车与中国汽车的“唯一”区别在于其非常出色的电池，而这迟早也会由西方工业来完成。西方汽车在其他方面仍有明显优势。尤其是在豪华车领域。人们低估了金属成型和制造方面的知识。50 多年来，中国一直在努力迎头赶上，但至今仍未追上。

高达电池成本 140% 的补贴，顾名思义就是补贴战的一部分。没必要太在意

PennyPana98

Italy

Ok, but I can afford a Chinese car and not a German one. And like me many others.

好吧，但我买得起中国车，买不起德国车。还有很多像我一样的人。