宋代历史：中国是如何比欧洲早500年实现工业化的_风闻

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barbiquearea

Despite losing most of Northern China to the Jin, the Song to their credit were still able to hold off the Jin and later Mongols for most of their dynasty by investing in strong fortifications at key strategic locations, and of course their advanced gunpowder weapons certainly kept their enemies at bay, even when the Song bureaucracy and its emperors became increasingly feckless and corrupt. One example is their navy. As unlike their northern neighbors the Song could employ riverboats equipped with paddle wheel technology that had better movement and maneuverability compared to traditional sailing ships. These boats equipped were quipped with trebuchets that lobbed gunpowder bombs at enemy fleets were virtually unassailable when taking on the Jin navy on the Yangtze. These ships were so effective that they were even used up until the Opium Wars, much to the surprise of the British who did not expect the Chinese to be this advanced in their nautical technology.

尽管中国北方的大部分地区都丢给了金朝，但值得赞扬的是，宋朝通过在关键的战略位置投资修建坚固的防御工事，仍然能够在其王朝的大部分时间里抵御金朝和后来的蒙古人，当然，即使宋朝的官僚机构及其皇帝变得越来越无能和腐败，他们先进的火药武器肯定会阻止敌人。一个例子是他们的海军。与北方的邻居不同，宋朝可以使用配备桨轮技术的内河船，与传统帆船相比，桨轮技术具有更好的移动性和操纵性。这些船装备了投石机，可以向敌军舰队投掷火药炸弹，在长江上与金国海军作战时几乎无懈可击。这样的船只非常有作用，甚至在鸦片战争之前都还被使用，这让英国人大吃一惊，他们没想到中国的航海技术会如此先进。

barbiquearea

The Song Dynasty has been considered the true Renaissance Period, that came a several centuries ahead of the Enlightenment in Europe. Had things continued the way they did, its quite possible China would have experienced an industrial age of sorts. Having already mastered blast furnace technology, and production of silk, paper and ceramics on an industrial scale, as well as an arms producing industry quite advanced for its time. Its likely the Chinese and their East Asian neighbors could have seen an industrial era long before the British did in the 19th century.

宋朝被认为是真正的文艺复兴时期，比欧洲启蒙运动早了几个世纪。如果事情继续这样发展下去，中国很可能已经经历了某种工业时代。已经掌握了高炉技术，丝绸、造纸、陶瓷的工业生产，以及当时相当先进的武器生产制造业。中国人和他们的东亚邻国很可能早在19世纪的英国人之前就已经经历了一个漫长的工业时代。

Dean_L33

Thankgod they squandered that opportunity

谢天谢地，他们浪费了这个机会

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Max G

Ohhh please, this video is clickbait meet Chinese propaganda lovers

哦，拜托，这段视频是标题党与中国宣传爱好者双向奔赴了

Om nom nom

@Max G

well, the conditions for china were there. This is just history

嗯，中国的条件就在那里。这就是历史。

Leanh Leanh

Stop being delusional

别妄想了

kim kim

No matter they are developing and yet they can’t catch up with European. Why? Kingship and dictators while Europe adopt from rome which hold senate and Republic ideal.

不管他们是否在发展，他们还是赶不上欧洲人。为什么?因为王权和独裁者，而欧洲则从罗马继承了元老院和共和国的理想。

karma.fugitive

It was just rich. It was very weak militarily. In fact, East Asia then was dominated, not solely by Song, but also Jin, Liao and a host of other Northern countries, even before the Mongols. In China the dynasty is looked upon unfavorably.

只是很有钱。它在军事上非常虚弱。事实上，当时的东亚不仅由宋朝统治，还包括金国、辽国和许多其他北方国家，甚至比蒙古人还早。在中国，这个朝代饱受差评。

Dealanach

Renaissance means “rebirth” and refers to reestablishing the wisdom of classical greece and rome. As this was China’s first period of massive intellectual advancement, rather than restarting a previous tradition, using the word Renaissance makes no sense.

文艺复兴意味着“重生”，指的是重建古典希腊和罗马的智慧。由于这是中国第一次大规模的知识进步，而不是重新开始以前的传统，使用“文艺复兴”这个词说不通。

peace World

You are very interesting. You always deny China under the comments that praise ancient China. According to your logic, the dictatorship of ancient China should not have industrialization. lol

你很真有意思。你总是在赞美古代中国的评论下否定中国。按照你的逻辑，中国古代的独裁统治不应该有工业化,哈哈

barbiquearea

@Dealanach

“this was China’s first period of massive intellectual advancement, rather than restarting a previous tradition”

So the Han and Tang dynasties didn’t count as golden periods where art and scholarly pursuits in China flourished during those times of peace and plenty, that influenced later dynastic periods?

“这是中国第一次大规模的知识进步，而不是重新开始以前的传统……”

所以汉唐时期不算是中国艺术和学术繁荣的黄金时期吗?在这段和平富足的时期，中国的艺术和学术追求蓬勃发展，并影响了后来的朝代。

HypoYT 001

@Max G

sour jealousy hahahs

酸味十足的嫉妒，哈哈哈

HypoYT 001

@kim kim

already caught up now, boy

已经追上了，孩子

Makky

The problem with your argument is that you see history as too linear, it’s not.

你的论点的问题在于你认为历史是线性的，并非如此。

Jake4595

@karma.fugitive

Speaking purely on dynasties, it was pretty true the Song dynasty had a weak military and that proved fatal when it’s main goal was for internal security rather than actual power projection like the Tang Dynasty. People often overlook the Tang dynasty but it was a true medi empire and were responsible for pretty much containing the Mongolian/nomadic ambitions.

仅就朝代而言，宋朝的军事力量确实很弱，而事实证明，这是致命的，因为宋朝的主要目标是内部安全，而不是像唐朝那样的实际权力投射。人们经常忽视唐朝，但它是一个真正的中世纪帝国，在很大程度上遏制了蒙古人/游牧民族的野心。

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Johnny Kwon

@Dealanach

yes it does have that meaning of “rebirth,” but if we look how “sympathy” in English has not the same meaning as “sympatico,” in Spanish, we can also say that renaissance has a meaning of “re-innocence,” not necessarily solely of “rebirth.” To be nascent implies child like attributes, we can say born again, but the concept is that of innocence.

是的，它确实有“重生”的含义，但如果我们看看英语中的“同情”与西班牙语中的“同情”的含义有多不一样，我们也可以说文艺复兴有“再天真”的含义，而不一定仅仅是“重生”。新生意味着孩子般的品质，我们可以说是重生，但这个概念是“纯真”。

xinjiang Han, Free Hankuo

@Dealanach

Actually Song was a era of Reviewing classical Confucianism and new schools of confucianist thoughts were incubated during Song.

宋朝是一个重儒家的时代，新儒家思想在宋朝孕育。

xinjiang Han, Free Hankuo

@Leanh Leanh

Don’t be salty vietnamese, Song Chinese did invented gunpowder and utilised it in to military use, who knows how far they would’ve advanced in utilising such technology without the interruption of Mongol invasion.

不要像搞笑的越南人，宋朝的中国人确实发明了火药，并将其用于军事用途，谁知道如果没有蒙古人的入侵，他们会在利用这种技术方面取得多大进步。

Mr マックラ

But they had to see glass and think “this is useless”

They could have gained so many new technologies

但他们看到玻璃就会想"这没用"。

他们本可以获得如此多的新技术。