QA：为什么欧洲人声称欧洲的生活比美国的生活更好，却找不到支持他们的说法？_风闻

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Why do people in Europe claim that life in Europe is better than life in the United States, yet they can’t find any large number of people moving from the United States to Europe to back up their claim?

为什么欧洲人声称欧洲的生活比美国的生活更好，却找不到大量从美国搬到欧洲的人来支持他们的说法？

评论原创翻译：

Mats Andersson

Um, we don’t actually let Americans move here.

Please form an orderly queue; it seems like quite a lot of people are trying to flee to Europe from oppressive regimes and assorted warlords in the Middle East. And they’re ahead of Americans, since they often have genuine refugee status.

The only realistic way for an American to move to Europe is 1) as someone’s spouse, 2) having qualifications for a job that are unmatched by any local applicant. Reason 1 is incredibly much more common than reason 2. Especially since many jobs have as a key qualification “somewhat fluent in the local language”.

嗯，实际上是我们不让美国人搬到这里。

请有序排队。似乎有相当多的人试图从中东的压迫政权和形形色色的军阀手中逃往欧洲。他们走在了美国人的前面，因为他们往往拥有真正的难民身份。

美国人移居欧洲的唯一现实方式是：

1、作为某人的配偶

2、拥有任何当地申请人都无法比拟的工作技能。

原因1比原因2普遍得多。尤其是因为许多工作的关键条件是“能熟练掌握当地语言”。

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A. C. Andersen

Um, we don’t actually let Americans move here.

Well that’s kinda overstating it, if an American wants to move to Europe they are welcome to do so as long as they can comply with the requirements that apply to every potential immigrant, and some Americans do just that, I was previously married to an American myself, lived in the US a while myself and we moved to Denmark together, got divorced later but she still lives here and has no intention of returning to the US, but anyway the immigration process wasn’t that difficult, and on a side note considerably cheaper than the US one was, something like 200 kr in fees vs. About 2500 dollars, but yeah some random American with no skills, no assets, no relation will probably have a hard time of it

“嗯，实际上是我们不让美国人搬到这里。”

呃呃，这有点言过其实了，如果一个美国人想搬到欧洲，只要他们能遵守适用于每一个潜在移民的要求，欢迎他们这样做，而有些美国人就是这样做的，我以前也和一个美国人结婚，我自己在美国住了一段时间，我们一起搬到了丹麦，后来离婚了，但她仍然住在这里，无意返回美国，但无论如何，移民程序并没有那么困难，而且比美国便宜得多，生活费用大约是200克朗 VS 2500美元的样子，但是的，一些没有技能、没有资产、没有关系的美国人可能会过得很艰难。

Leslie T.

Applying for Irish citizenship costs a thousand Euros upfront, but is achievable if you have an Irish grandparent.

申请爱尔兰公民身份需要预付1000欧元，但如果你有爱尔兰祖父母，这是可以实现的。

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Greg LHV

Overstating it because Mats is just a narrow-minded chauvinistic ass.

夸大其词，因为Mats只是一个心胸狭窄的沙文主义混蛋。

Jenny Peters

Says the American who thinks that the US has ‘exceptionalism’.

认为有美国“例外论”的美国人，就是这么说话的。

Greg LHV

I never said that, Jenny. Know of what you speak before opening your mouth.

我从来没有这么说过，Jenny。开口之前先知道自己说了什么。

Jenny Peters

You do. No other country talks about their ‘exceptionalism’ despite being behind every other first world country in every stat that matters to security and safety except crime, school and mass shootings.

你这么做了。没有其他国家谈论他们的“例外主义”，只有某个国家，尽管他们在除犯罪、学校和大规模枪击案之外的所有涉及安全的数据上都落后于其他第一世界国家。

Greg LHV

Again, I never said that. Follow the logic of the conversation please.

再说一遍，我从来没有这么说过。请按照对话的逻辑进行。

Alex Skuli

The fact that you and your American ex divorced later doesn’t change that she came into Denmark as your spouse (or as Mats’ reason 1), she wouldn’t have been allowed to move to Denmark if you had divorced before she moved. We (Europeans/Nordics) don’t deport permanent residents for getting divorced, but getting a permanent residence status takes 4–7 years (depending on the country). you are the one overstating when you say “if an American wants to move to Europe they are welcome to do so as long as they can comply with the requirements that apply to every potential immigrant”, since those requirements will be exactly one of the two reasons Mats listed unless they’re from another EU/EEA/Schengen country (in which case there won’t be any requirements at all) or if they’re accepted as refugees (which no American will be).

I’ve been in a relationship with an American woman for nearly 5 years, living with her in Europe (Iceland) and paying taxes together mutually as spouses, for nearly the entire time, and she is still legally tied to me (she’ll hopefully be granted permanent residency next year, and citezenship 2 years after that).

你和你的美国前任后来离婚的事实并没有改变，她是作为你的配偶来到丹麦的（或者作为Mats的理由1），如果你在她搬家之前就离婚了，她就不会被允许搬到丹麦。我们（欧洲人/北欧人）不会因为离婚而驱逐永久居民，但获得永久居留身份需要4-7年（取决于国家）。

当你说“如果美国人想移居欧洲，只要他们能遵守适用于每个潜在移民的要求，欢迎他们移居欧洲”时，你是在夸大其词，因为这些要求正是Mats列出的两个原因之一。

否则的话，除非他们是来自另一个欧盟/欧洲经济区/申根国家（在这种情况下根本没有任何要求）或者他们是否被接纳为难民（没有美国人会被接纳）。

我和一位美国女性交往了近5年，与她一起生活在欧洲（冰岛），几乎一直作为配偶共同纳税，她仍然与我有法律联系（她有望在明年获得永久居留权，两年后获得公民身份）。

A. C. Andersen

Well Mats started by stating we don’t allow Americans to move here and that’s just not correct, there are no prohibitions against immigrants from the US they are the same as any other immigrants from non EU countries often expats talk to each other share their experiences of life in their new country so while we were married I met several other Americans living here with a multitude of routes to get residency/citizenship between them, she had a son from a previous marriage who has recently moved here with his girlfriend also American and they are currently going through the process without significant difficulties, he is too old for family reunification and such, so his family relation to her doesn’t matter from an immigration standpoint, but he found a job here so did the girlfriend, the point really is Americans can and do immigrate to Scandinavia they are allowed to on an equal basis with anyone else, and as I wrote in the end of my comment a random person with no skills, relations or assets will have a hard time of it, it isn’t impossible but difficult if you have none of that, but if you are American or Australian doesn’t really matter in that equation.

好吧，Mats首先说我们不允许美国人搬到这里，这是不对的，我们没有禁止来自美国的移民——他们和来自非欧盟国家的任何其他移民一样。外籍人士经常相互交谈，分享他们在新国家的生活经历，所以当我们结婚时，我遇到了住在这里的其他几个美国人，他们之间有很多获得居留权/公民身份的途径。她的前一段婚姻留下了一个儿子，最近，她儿子的女朋友（也是美国人）搬到了这里，他们目前正在经历这个过程，没有重大困难，他年龄太大了，不需要家庭团聚等等，所以从移民的角度来看，他和她的家庭关系并不重要，但他在这里找到了工作，女朋友也是，真正的问题是，美国人可以而且确实可以移民到斯堪的纳维亚半岛，他们被允许在与其他人平等的基础上移民，正如我在评论的最后所写的那样，一个没有技能、关系或资产的路人甲会过得很艰难，如果你没有这些问题，这是有可能的，但很困难，但你是美国人还是澳大利亚人，在这个等式中并不重要。

Dan Petre

Add the double taxation to this, any US citizen has to pay taxes in US regardless of where they live.

再加上双重征税，任何美国公民都必须在美国纳税，无论他们住在哪里。

Thomas Soininen

Although it’s not really double as in they don’t pay twice the amount of tax. They have to report their earnings to the US IRS and, if in the US they should have paid more than they’ve already paid in their country of residence, they’ll pay that difference to the US.

这并不是真正的两倍，因为他们不缴纳两倍的税款。他们必须向美国国税局报告他们的收入，如果他们在美国应该支付比他们在居住国已经支付的更多的钱，他们将向美国支付差额。

Kuba Uhlíř

Which is absolutely insane, let’s be honest

老实说，这太疯狂了

Thomas Soininen

Oh, for sure. In combination with the US’s jus solis citzenship laws, it’s creating a whole host of accidental Americans who are likely to be charged upon entering the US if they haven’t been keeping up with their taxes.

哦，当然。再加上美国的出生地公民身份法，这就产生了一大批意外的美国人，如果他们没有按时纳税，那么他们进入美国时可能会被收取费用。

Rich C

“who are likely to be charged upon entering the US if they haven’t been keeping up with their taxes.” Do you have any idea how often that actually happens? Hint: the use of the word “likely” here is so inaccurate as to be absurd. “Very, very remotely possible, if you are on their radar for other reasons” would be much more accurate.

“如果他们没有按时纳税，那么他们进入美国时可能会被收取费用。”

你知道这种情况实际发生的频率吗？提示：这里使用“可能”一词是如此不准确以至于荒谬。

“非常非常极度可能，如果你因为其他原因出现在他们的雷达上的话”，这样会准确得多。

Dan Petre

One of them is Boris Johnson, former UK PM born in US. He gave up US citizenship to stop paying tax in US..

其中之一就是出生在美国的前英国首相鲍里斯·约翰逊。他放弃了美国公民身份，停止了在美国纳税……

1234

why? if you aren’t liable for taxes, you shouldn’t have the benefit of citizenship.

为什么？如果你不纳税，你就不应该享受公民身份的好处。