为什么会有这么多的球迷反对欧洲超级联赛？_风闻

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Chris Hall

, studied at THE UNIVERSITY OF LONDON

Answered April 21

Let me say first of all that we now know that the European Super League has died.

Why?

Because it was based on the USA system of greed over sport.

That was never going to be accepted in the UK and everyone here is pleased that the proposal has totally failed.

In fact, the interesting thing is that there was no one here who would actually try to support the idea.

This is because American professional sports lack relegation-promotion and have revenue sharing, bad teams are insulated from the most severe repercussions, financially and competitively. If not, the Chicago Cubs would have been relegated long ago.

So a Super League-like power grab probably made sense to the American owners. Who needs accountability when there’s money to be made?

But soccer in Europe is more than a sport, it’s an intrinsic part of society.

In short: the fans in the UK have stopped this greed-motivated attempt to destroy football.

But one good thing will come out of it: measures will now be put in place to ensure that this sort of greedy dealing can never be proposed again.

Americans such as Kroenke, Henry and the Glazers might know that, but they can never truly understand it. It’s no wonder they felt the need to create their own system, and it’s no wonder that it failed so spectacularly.

在开始之前，我们现在知道，欧洲超级联赛已经死亡。（4月19日12支俱乐部共同提出组建超级联赛，4月21日6支英超球队退出超级联赛，超级联赛名存实亡）

为什么？

因为它是建立在美国的贪婪体系之上的运动。

这在英国是永远不会被接受的，这里的每个人都很高兴这个提议完全失败了。

事实上，有趣的是，这里没有人真正尝试支持这个想法。

这是因为美国的职业体育缺乏降级晋级，并且有收入分享，不好的球队在经济上和竞争上都与最严重的影响绝缘。否则，芝加哥小熊队早就被降级了。

因此，对美国金主来说，类似超级联赛的权力掠夺可能是有意义的。有钱可赚，谁还需要问责？

但足球在欧洲不仅仅是一项运动，它是社会的内在组成部分。

简而言之：英国的球迷已经阻止了这种以贪婪为动机的摧毁足球的企图。

但有一件好事会产生：现在将制定措施，确保这种贪婪的交易再也无法提出。

克伦克、亨利和格雷泽家族等美国人可能知道这一点，但他们永远无法真正理解这一点。难怪他们觉得有必要创建自己的新联赛体系，也难怪它失败得如此迅速惊人。

Tom Fuzery

, lives in London

Answered April 21

Adding a different point to the many smart comments…

Some of these clubs are indeed big and with a twisted argument they might say they have grown out their leagues. Let’s park it that they have grown massive on the foundation of their fans wanting them to win their leagues. Hard to swallow but let’s try. So on that base, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Juventus and maybe Liverpool may have the merit to aim higher. Let’s add AC Milan to the list because of their history.

But the rest? Arsenal? They haven’t made it to the top 4 and thus qualified for the UCL since 2016. Man City? Before the sheiks arrived that was a nice, mediocre local club. Anything but big. Yep, recently they had domestic success, but in Europe? Nothing. But the one that really sticks out for me is Spurs! Really??? They have won the English league only twice, last time 60 years ago. They were in the top 4 maybe five or six times in the last 30 years… They had 2 UEFA Cups 40–50 years ago… okay, nice… But that’s it. Still they are the big club, and not Bayern, Ajax, Benfica, Celtic, Porto, PSV Eindhoven, Dortmund, Feyenoord, Seville or the others… There is only one thing qualifies clubs to be “big clubs”. Revenue in the last few years… And that’s why this whole thing stinks

Then why to pretend that it’s about sports? Better invite LA Galaxy or Shanghai Port straight away. The market potential might be even bigger…

在许多聪明的评论中加入一个不同的观点……

这些俱乐部中的一些确实很大，用一个扭曲的说法，他们可能会说他们已经发展到他们的联赛舞台已经不够大、容不下他们了。让我们假设他们在本地联赛已经取得了巨大的成功，他们的球迷希望他们组建自己的联赛。虽然这很扯，但我们还是试着去理解看看。因此，在这个基础上，皇家马德里、巴塞罗那、曼联、尤文图斯，也许还有利物浦，可能产生了更高的目标。让我们把AC米兰加入到这个名单中，因为他们辉煌的历史。

但是其他的呢？阿森纳？自2016年以来，他们还没有进入过前四名，因此没有资格参加欧冠。曼城？在酋长到来之前，这是一个不错的、平庸的地方俱乐部。任何东西都算不上大。是的，最近他们在国内取得了成功，但在欧洲？什么都没有。但是，真正让我印象深刻的是热刺。认真的吗？他们只赢得过两次英格兰联赛冠军，上一次是在60年前。在过去的30年里，他们可能有五到六次进入前四名……他们在40-50年前有过两个欧洲奖杯……好吧，不错……但仅此而已。他们虽然仍然是大俱乐部，但不是拜仁、阿贾克斯、本菲卡、凯尔特人、波尔图、埃因霍温、多特蒙德、费耶诺德、塞维利亚或其他……现在只有一件事能让俱乐部成为"大俱乐部"。那就是过去几年的收入……这就是为什么这整个事情都很糟糕。

那为什么要假装这是关于体育的？最好直接邀请洛杉矶银河或上海上港来参加算了。市场潜力可能会更大…

Declan Edwards

, football fan and volunteer

Answered April 25

Why are so many football fans against the European Super League?

Because it’s a stupid idea, and goes completely against everything football has been up to so far.

Well, not everything. It’s about money, which is what top flight football has been about for decades now.

Football is a meritocracy, and you need to fight to make your way to the top and stay there. The ESL, a closed shop, would remove that.

With a closed shop, you’d have had no Leicester City in 2015, or Nottingham Forest in 1978, or Wimbledon in the 1980s and 1990s.

The MLS is a closed shop, as it has been since the start. There’s no relegation from it, so what incentive is there for a team that starts poorly, and is out of title contention, to fight the rest of the season? That’s one reason we look down on the MLS and tut.

Playing the biggest clubs from the other big nations is supposed to be an occasional treat, something to look forward to. Like Christmas. If it happened every week, it wouldn’t be as special and you wouldn’t be as excited about it after a while.

And it isn’t just the fans. Clubs not involved, players, managers, ex-players, pundits, and governments were all against it too.

Still, it took our attention away from VAR for a couple of days.

为什么这么多足球迷反对欧洲超级联赛？

因为这是一个愚蠢的想法，而且完全违背了足球迄今为止所做的一切。

好吧，不是一切。它是关于钱的，这也是几十年来顶级足球一直在做的事情。

足球是一种择优录取的制度，你需要通过斗争来达到顶峰，并留在那里。而ESL，一个封闭的商店，将消除这一点。

有了一个封闭的商店（closed shop：只雇佣特定人员的商店），你就不会再有2015年的莱斯特城，或1978年的诺丁汉森林，或1980年代和1990年代的温布尔登。

MLS（美职联）是一个封闭的商店，因为它从一开始就是这样。它没有降级，所以有什么动力让一支开局不佳、脱离冠军争夺的球队在剩下的赛季中战斗呢？这就是我们看不起MLS和tut的原因之一。

与其他大国的最大俱乐部比赛应该是一种偶尔的享受，是值得期待的事情。就像圣诞节。如果它每周都发生，它就不会那么特别，过了一段时间，你就不会对它感到兴奋。

而且，这不仅仅是球迷的事。没有参与的俱乐部、球员、经理、前球员、专家学者和政府也都反对它。

不过，它还是把我们的注意力从VAR的争议上移开了几天。