各国是否需要干预经济以阻止全球变暖？_风闻

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Does the government need to interfere in the economy to stop global warming, or will the rising price of oil and coal, and the lowering price of sustainable power fix the problem on its own?

各国政府是否需要干预经济以阻止全球变暖，油价和煤炭价格的上涨、以及可再生能源价格的不断下降，是否能自行解决这个问题？

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Virgil Fenn

, I have verified the history of global warming.

Current trends are not leading to a fix of the global warming problem. The US government is already interfering in the economy with the stated intent of fixing the problem. However what the government has been doing is making things worse. Subsidizing both fossil fuels and intermittent sources of energy is counter-productive.

Actually, neither should be subsidized. The “lowering price of sustainable power“ is an illusion. The incremental price of electricity on the wholesale market is distorted because the providers of intermittent electricity make most of their money from the subsidies. The price that consumers pay goes up. Yes, it is weird, but that is how it works. It is complicated. The new book “Shorting the Grid: The Hidden Fragility of Our Electric Grid by Angwin, Meredith” explains it quite well. I highly recommend it to everyone interested in how electricity is gets distributed in the US.

Intermittent sources of electrical energy are not sustainable because they require methane to supply the energy when they cannot. Adequate storage for much more expansion of the intermittent sources is not going to be available in the near future, maybe never. Also, the damage to the environment from the full life cycle of the equipment to produce the intermittent energy is not sustainable. The equipment wears out and needs to be replaced far too soon.

We do need the government to act. We need it to stop working against the available solutions that can work.

目前的趋势并不能解决全球变暖问题，美国政府已经在干预经济，并宣称要解决这个问题。然而，政府一直在做的事情让事情变得更糟了：同时补贴矿物燃料和间歇性能源只会适得其反。（译注：间歇性能源的来源包括太阳能、风能、潮汐能和波浪能。）

实际上，这两种能源都不应该得到补贴。“降低可再生能源价格”只是一种幻觉。电力批发市场的增量电价已经被扭曲了，因为他们的电力补贴大部分是来自于电力供应商，消费者支付的价格会上涨。是的，很奇怪，但这就是它的运作方式，很是复杂。Angwin, Meredith的新书《电网短路：我们电网隐藏的脆弱性》对此进行了很好的解释，我向所有对美国电力如何分配感兴趣的人推荐这本书。

间歇性电能是不可持续的，因为当它们无法提供能量时，就需要燃烧甲烷来提供能量。在不远的将来，不可能有足够的甲烷存量来扩张间歇性电能。此外，设备的整个生命周期产生的间歇性能源对环境的破坏也是不可持续的，而且设备还有磨损、短时间内就需要更换。

我们确实需要政府采取行动，我们需要政府停止与可行的解决方案唱反调。 0

Micha Trautweiler

Still trying to. I quit flying, I do not own a car (never did), installed solar modules and a heat pump. But I struggle to become vegetarian. My footprint is still around 2 planets. Further significant reduction depends on government funded or regulated infrastructure to become sustainable.

How about your footprint?

仍在努力，我放弃了坐飞机，我没有汽车（从来没有），安装了太阳能模块和热泵。但成为素食主义者对我来说太虐了，我的碳足迹仍然在这颗行星附近。进一步大幅削减碳排放需要依赖政府的资助，基础设施也需要受到监管，以实现可持续发展。

你的碳足迹又如何呢？ 0

(mmm… Taste the sustainability)

The Globalist Climate Death Cult is the “taskmaster general”, trying to cripple functioning nations and support nonfunctional countries.

You’ve been lied to.

（emm…尝尝“可持续性”的味道如何吧）

全球气候死亡狂热份子就跟一个“监工”似的，他们试图削弱一个正常运转的国家，支持国家功能失调。

你们被骗了 0

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Jim Parker

Ryszard Rakowski

, M.Ec. Economics, Warsaw School of Economics (1978)

There is no government, nor any government agency, in the history of mankind that has successfully altered the weather—not for a minute, not for a second.

The temperature of the earth’s oceans and the earth’s atmosphere is entirely determined by the earth’s proximity to the sun.

Changing the prices of oil or coal will simply cause some ripples in global markets energy. It would be better if politicians would stay the hell out of it, but they won’t.

在人类历史上，没有任何一个政府、也没有任何一个机构成功地改变过气候！哪怕是一秒钟、一分钟！

地球上海洋和大气的温度，完全是由地球离太阳的距离决定的。

改变石油或煤炭价格，只会在全球能源市场领域激起一些动荡，政客们最好不要插手此事，但他们不会停手的。 0

Graham Cutler

Graphic: Temperature vs Solar Activity – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

your right, it’s just all the sun’s proximity. Did you know according to the sun’s cycles, we should be getting colder now?

图表：地球气温与太阳活动 -- 气候变化：地球生命体征

你说的没错？（气候变暖）只是因为太阳在靠近地球？但你知道么？根据太阳的周期，我们现在应该变得更冷才对！ 0

Graham Cutler

We have created such an enormous amount of energy and influence that you can easily see our influence, every night, from above the earth. I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to believe that we can mess up one of the most complex and fragile systems in the world, and throw earth into extreme conditions.

我们创造了如此巨量的能源，造成了如此巨大的影响，从地球上方往下看，你可以很轻易地看到我们造成的影响，每天晚上都能看到。我不认为我们可以把世界上最复杂、最脆弱的系统之一搞得一团糟，我们不能把地球推向极端的环境。 0