第五代隐形战斗机F-22、SU-57、J-20的对比_风闻

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Russian fighter jet the Sukhoi Su-57 (Сухой Су-57).The Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor is the fifth generation fighter aircraft for the United States Air Force (USAF)

The Sukhoi Su-57 is a Russian 5th generation jet fighter being developed for Russian Air Force.The Chengdu J-20 is a single-seat, stealth and fifth-generation jet fighter developed for the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF).

在这个视频中，我们将向您呈现比较美国最好的战斗机F-22猛禽战斗机，中国最好的成都J-20战斗机和俄罗斯最好的战斗机苏霍伊Su-57战斗机。洛克希德马丁公司的F-22猛禽战斗机是美国空军的第五代战斗机，苏霍伊Su-57是俄罗斯正在为俄罗斯空军开发的第五代喷气式战斗机，成都J-20是一种为人民解放军空军研发的第五代单座、隐形喷气式战斗机。

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Tom B

Bullock carts still the best..

牛车仍然是最好的…… 0

Ben622

India has to sell all their mangoes so they can rent 5th generation toilet paper

印度必须卖掉所有的芒果才能租到第五代卫生纸。 0

Goog Le

Omg~ you are such a troll. Lol~

天啊，你真是个魔鬼，哈哈。 0

NISCHAL FF

Because Indian cant make fither jet

因为印度造不出第五代喷气式飞机。 0

Hurt each other Macon

Indian motorcycles can blow up everything in the world. These airplanes are rubbish. India is number one.

印度摩托车可以炸毁世界上的一切，这些飞机都是垃圾。印度是第一。 0

Hurt each other Macon

@KAI THE INVINCIBLE Yes, China has many copycat products. You have the ability to copy a plane from India to take a look. You need to ask others to sell your rifles and bullets to your country and have the right to speak of others? Apart from producing rapists and caste discrimination, what can you have to be happy about? By the way, can the toilet paper for the toilet be produced? A people who wipe their buttocks with their hands even shit, so embarrassed to talk about others?

是的，中国有很多山寨产品。你们印度有能力山寨一架飞机来看看。你们国家甚至需要从别的国家买步枪和子弹，还有权利谈论别人吗？除了制造强奸犯和种姓歧视，你们还有什么值得高兴的呢？顺便问一下，厕所用的卫生纸你们能生产出来吗？一个大便都用手擦屁股的国家，却好意思谈论别的国家? 0

yangtian wang

F22 is old mama, J20 and Su57 new stars

F-22是老妈妈, J-20和Su-57是新星。 0

devi baskaranr

yeah but f 22 has the best air superiority capabilities than any fighter jet in planet. proving that old is gold.

是的。但是F-22仍然拥有比地球上任何战斗机都更好的空中优势能力。证明老东西像金子般珍贵。 0

Arno Van Wyk

Think about it this way.The F22 is old and that means it is due for replacement with a 6th Gen, while the Russians and Chinese still battle to get a 5th Gen out the gate.

应该这样思考。F-22是旧的，这意味着它将被第6代战斗机替换，而俄罗斯和中国仍在用才开始获得的第5代战斗机战斗。 0

Killerx3k

Nothing of originality and quality has come from China since gunpowder

自发明火药以来，中国没有任何原创和质量优质的东西。 0

Al96

America does have the longest history and experience so it’s no surprise

美国（在战斗机方面）确实拥有最悠久的历史和经验，所以这并不奇怪。 0

Andrew Morris

In that case the Raptor is the best. It has seen (limited) combat and the others haven’t.

从这方面来说，猛禽（F-22）是最好的。它经历过有限的战斗，而其他的战机没有。 0

kevin gu

HEY， F-22 RCS is almost 0.1m2

F-22的雷达横截面大概是0.1平米。 0

El Draque

You’re basing your opinion on something you can’t possibly know? You’ll never know or be told the RCS of any aircraft ever? What you think you know does not relate to anything as these details are obviously all kept top secret.All anyone can do if they want an opinion, is firstly to understand that above? (You do not know the RCS) but then also only use what they really do know, to form an opinion, right? Otherwise, it’s an opinion based on stupidity from it’s beginning? So now you know that? If you still want an opinion? A worthwhile opinion? Then logically you must look at what each aircraft offers in terms of technologies, avionics, radar, and threat value?

你把你的观点建立在你不可能知道的事情上了，你永远不会知道或被告知任何飞机的雷达横截面积。你以为你知道的与实际情况是两回事，因为这些细节显然都是绝密的。如果任何人想要发表意见，他们所能做的就是首先明白这一点。你实际上不知道雷达横截面积的大小，你仅仅只是用你知道的提出一种观点，对吧？这个观点从一开始就是愚蠢的，不是吗？ 0

Obviously we must start by working out, who (what aircraft) can see who (enemy aircraft) and from how far? For example the SU-57 And both the F-22 and the F-35? (I’ve grouped both the F-22/35 together, as you’ll see, there’s no need to look at them separately) Well this is where we start with only going on everything we really do know and not allowing ourselves to become bias at any stage? So let’s look? Both the F-22 and F-35 can’t see any other stealth aircraft from BVR (beyond visual range)? Stealth alone defeats high-frequency (short wave) radar by absorption and deflection, it does not defeat low-frequency (long wave) radar. Therefore, to see, track, and target stealth aircraft you must have long-wave radar. But it must also be enhanced to remove all background clutter for targeting purposes.This we all do know. 

现在你知道了吧，如果你还想听听意见，提出一个有价值的观点。那么逻辑上你必须从每架飞机的技术、航空电子设备、雷达和威胁值评估方面考虑。显然，我们必须从计算开始，谁（什么飞机）可以看到谁（敌机），从多远的地方看到？比如Su-57、F-22和F-35（你可以看到我已经把这两架F-22/35组合在一起分析了，没有必要分别研究它们）。

这就是我们开始只做我们真正知道的事情并且不允许自己在任何阶段产生偏见的地方。所以让我们比较一下。F-22和F-35都不能从超视距看到任何其他隐形飞机吗？隐形飞机单靠吸收（雷达波）和设计偏角的隐身性能就能躲过高频（短波）雷达，而不能躲过低频（长波）雷达。因此，要看到、跟踪和瞄准隐形飞机，你必须拥有长波雷达。 0

Both the AN/APG 77 radar used in the F-22, and the AN/APG-81 radar used in the F-35, can’t see any other stealth aircraft from BVR? (without enhanced long wave Radar) — This is a fact the US Air force obviously know! So it seems the reality is? That when the F-35 radars were being designed 13 years ago, there were no other stealth aircraft to think about as a threat? So that leads us to the next question? How can these aircraft be seen as any sort of threat to either China or Russia? Who technically have these aircraft beaten? They can see and target the US jets from BVR, yet as we now do know for sure, the US jets can’t see them from BVR?How do we know this? By understanding what new technologies we have seen? Like knowing this? 

但要达到瞄准目标的目的也必须加强其性能，以消除所有背景杂波。这一点我们都知道。F-22使用的AN/APG 77雷达和F-35使用的AN/APG-81雷达都不能从超视距地看到任何其他隐形飞机（没有增强型长波雷达），这是一个事实，美国空军显然知道！所以事实似乎是这样的。13年前设计F-35的雷达时，没有其他隐形飞机可以被考虑作为一种有威胁的战机，这就引出了下一个问题？ 0

Russia’s new ‘‘5th generation’’ Byelka (2band) radar, used in SU-57 does have enhanced long-wave radar, they’ve designed and developed the first L-Band fighter radar we’ve ever seen. They’ve cleverly embedded L-band AESA radars in the leading edges of the wings. The new L-band AESA radar data gets processed in real time through extremely powerful Russian Elbrus computers being significantly enhanced removing all clutter, meaning it can see, track, target, and engage enemy stealth aircraft from BVR.

F-22和F-35会被视为对中国或俄罗斯的威胁吗？谁在技术上能打败这些飞机？他们可以在超视距看到并瞄准美军战机，但我们现在可以肯定的是，美军战机超视距看不到他们。俄罗斯在Su-57上使用的新型“第五代”贝尔卡(2波段)雷达确实增强了长波雷达，他们设计并开发了我们所见过的第一架L波段战斗机雷达。

他们巧妙地将L波段有源相控阵雷达嵌入机翼的前沿。新的L-波段有源相控阵雷达数据通过显著增强的强大的俄罗斯Elbrus计算机实时处理，消除所有杂波，这意味着它可以看到、跟踪目标，并超视距地锁定敌人的隐形飞机。 0

llamu dos

Nobody will know the true RCS that either the f-35 or f-22 actually is, as it is variable and dependent on many factors (Altitude, speed, weather condition). Both jets can also change their RCS shape in flight with devices installed on the wings. The slower the jets fly the less ability they have to be spotted. Flying high speed at high altitude will damage the RAM coating on the jet.f-22 rcs has been quoted to be 0.0001m2 for some time and i first saw it mentioned on a Pakistani Military website which listed known AESA RADARS detection ranges with RCS signatures of each jet (estimated)

没有人知道F-35和F-22真正的雷达横截面积是多少，因为这是可变的，取决于许多因素（高度、速度、天气条件）。两架飞机也可以通过在机翼上安装的装置改变其雷达横截面的形状。喷气机飞得越慢，被发现的可能就越低。在高空高速飞行会破坏飞机上的涂层。

F-22的雷达横截面积被引证为0.0001平米已经有一段时间了，我第一次看到这一数据是在巴基斯坦的一个军事网站上，上面列出了已知的有源相控阵雷达探测距离以及每架飞机的雷达横截面积特征（估计值）。 0

f-35 rcs has been quoted to be 0.001m2 (but is now apparantly more stealthier in the front view than the f-22 as radar absorbing materials have improved) I have also heard that this is also before the f-35 & f22 has the Radar absorbing material sprayed on although not confirmed how true this i do not know.Its also been mentioned that all attempts so far to verify both USA stealth jets true RCS is made even harder to determine as both jets use a device that actually masks the true RCS signatures on the wings and the device is only switched off when in flight away from any potential radar stations. su-57 RCS is reported to be over 0.5 -2.m2 in the front view and easily seen by an AN/APG 77 or AN/APG81 radar.China state that j20 is 0.001m2 although this has been questioned by many countries including USA as the j20 fighter jet has some less than stealthy attributes (Tail fins, Rivetted section in the frx, Canards which will make it show up easily on a Mechanical or Aesa Radar and is significantly larger than ths su57 in reality according to experts)AN/APG77 and 81 has more transmitters, recievers and has more known power than any other fighter jet radar on the planet so will have the advantage against any other jet other than an AWACs (even then the f-35 and f-22 has an extensive suite of EW that that send a jamming pulse back to an AWACs making detection harder. MALD also would make life extremely difficult for any jet or SAM to get a lock.

F-35的雷达横截面积被引证为0.001平米，但由于雷达吸波材料的改进，F-35的正视图显然比F-22更隐蔽（更小）。

我也听说过一种说法，这个数据是在F-35和F-22喷上雷达吸波材料之前的数据，虽然这个说法的真实性没有被证实，我也不知道真假。还有说法也提到，因为美国隐形战机在机翼上都使用了一种设备，这种设备可以隐藏真实的信号，这使得要验证其雷达横截面积的所有尝试都更加困难，飞机上的这种设备只有在远离任何潜在的雷达站时才会关闭。

据报道，Su-57正视图的雷达横截面积超过0.5 -2平米，很容易被AN/APG 77或AN/APG81雷达看到。中国J-20的前视图雷达横截面积0.001平方米，虽然这一数据已经被许多国家包括美国质疑，J-20战斗机存在一些无法隐形的属性。根据专家的说法，J-20的尾翼、机身的铆接部分、鸭翼将使得J-20明显更容易被机械或扫描雷达侦测到。 0

If you also consider that AWAC and f18 would also provide extra jamming if both USA stealth jets ever needed to take out a sam you would see that Stealth appears to have the advantage in offensive capability over defensive SAM system. An area can be saturated with false positives. This was noted recently in Syria when an f-35 clear flew over the Capital and the s300 failed to pick it up. Which is claimed to have a 300km detection range. Russia made the excuse that the s300 was switched off? A view that would seem unlikely in a war zone.The f-35 is a force multiplier as every jet acts as a mini awacs and extends the affective range of the target area. Allowing any jet in stealth mode to send target lock data to a third party in the rear who could fire an array of missiles and decoys at any target preventing interception. This makes the f-35 the most deadliest jet on the planet.

最近在叙利亚，一架F-35战机飞过叙利亚首都上空，而S-300却没有侦测到，据称其探测距离为300公里。俄罗斯借口说S-300被关掉了？这种说法在战区似乎不太可能。F-35是一个力量倍增器，因为每架飞机都像一个小型机载预警与控制系统，这使得F-35扩大了对目标区域的影响范围。允许任何处于隐身模式的飞机将锁定的目标的数据发送给后方的第三方，第三方可以发射一系列的导弹以及防止目标拦截的诱饵。这使得F-35成为地球上最致命的飞机。 0

Hansen Wang

no SU57 RCS is 0.1m2 watch it carefully and probably you need to watch it again.F22 has the lowest RCS with 0.0001m2 almost invisible to radar

personally, I don’t think SU57 can be called stealth fighter jet and I don’t mean to offend anyone. Its RCS is so large and will make it easy to be found by radar. I think the most important element that should be considered for 5th generation fighter is its RCS, like their name so called STEALTH fighter.

注意Su-57的雷达横截面积是0.1平米，你可能需要再看一遍。F-22具有最低的雷达横截面积，0.0001平米对于雷达几乎不可见。就我个人而言，我不认为Su-57可以被称为隐形战斗机，我也无意冒犯任何人。Su-57的雷达横截面积非常大，很容易被雷达发现。我认为第五代战机最应该考虑的因素就是雷达横截面积，就像他们的名字，所谓的隐形战机。 0

llamu dos

Su57 is between 0.3-0.5m2 Its low observable. Its not comparable to that of a stealth jet like f-22 or f-35 TBH. They are in a different league.

Su-57的雷达横截面积在0.3-0.5平米之间，具有低可见性。Su-57无法与F-22或F-35这样的隐形战机相比，他们属于不同的阵营。 0

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