明末清初的历史_风闻

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he ha

Hell if they forced me to make my Hair like that too I would revolt.

要是他们强迫我把头发也弄成那样，我会反抗的。 0

Jabzy

+umutcan korkmaz By the 35 thumbs up to that, I think there’’s a pretty solid overlap between people who watch my videos and play paradox games. Personally I’’ve had to stop because I always got carried away making Georgia (my go to nation) a world power.

（作者）+我认为看我的视频的人和玩p社游戏的人之间有很大的重叠。就我个人而言，游戏中我总停下来，因为我总是想把格鲁吉亚（我的国家）打造成一个世界强国。 0

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BenkethePirate

@Jabzy True, Ottos are a priority in 90% of games in Mediterranian/Black Sea region. Seems like a good strategy, however it’’s quite risky to expant to Europe so early, but on other hand capturing orthodox areas first might be best. Might try that, Georgia has nice national ideas.

地中海/黑海地区国家90%的问题是奥斯曼。这似乎是一个不错的策略，不过这么早就远征欧洲是相当冒险的，但另一方面，先占领东正教地区可能是最好的。也许可以试试，格鲁吉亚有很好的国家理念。 0

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Giorgi Ruxadze

+Jabzy could you possibly make a video about Georgia, battle of didgori for instance

你能否做个格鲁吉亚视频，譬如迪德格里战役; 0

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Rayray

banjiu10 …but you have loyalists like Shi Kefa, Mu Tianbo, Li Dingguo, etc. A shitload 

defected but many died to keep their hair as well.

但是你有像史可法、沐天波、李定国等忠臣。是有一大群叛逃者，但也有很多人为了保住头发而牺牲 0

h h

banjiu10 most people don’t know their own history… But there are a lot of history 

enthusiasts in china

大多数人都不知道自己的历史。。。但是中国有很多历史爱好者 0

Accelerated

in other words … fall of china under manchu yoke…

换言之，中国沉沦于清 0

grr r

4年前 0

Actually it was the Manchus who slaughtered most of the population of Sichuan region, then blame it on to the rebels.

事实上，是满族屠杀了四川地区的大部分人口，然后将其归咎于叛军。 0

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grr r

@KoreanSentry um… like how Koreans thinks the Gugoryeo kingdom was Korean, although that the gugoryeo was founded by the nomadic tribes of the steppe, and Koreans are the descendants of the three Han families in the southern peninsula.

the population in Sichuan wasn’’t Han during the Zhou dynasty, but since the Han dynasty, Chinese has been migrating to Sichuan for over 2000 years. So yea, they are Han Chinese

回复楼上。。。就像韩国人认为高句丽是韩国人一样，尽管高句丽是由草原上的游牧部落建立的，韩国人是南半岛三个韩族的后代。

周朝时四川的人口不是汉族，但自汉朝以来，中国人移居四川已有2000多年的历史。所以他们是汉族人 0

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KoreanSentry

@Ji Weida Zhou Look up Houhanshu, it says Yemaek are old Korean tribe. Ye & Maek were one of the original Korean tribe who created several dynasties in Korea not just Goguryeo but also Buyo, baekje, Ye, etc.. Old Liaodong people became Koreans and that’’s why Koreans today shared common ancestry with people of Manju even these at Kyushu region. Beijing as location was another old Korean city once ruled by old Koreans aka Chaoxian. Qin and Han expelled them to Liaodong and then they successfully expanded to where Korea is now. Go & read Samguk-Yusa & Samguk-sagi.

你去后汉书，上面写着Yemaek是朝鲜里的老部族。是朝鲜族最早的部族之一，他不仅在高句丽创造了多个朝代，而且还创造了布尤、百济、叶等。。老辽东人成了韩国人，这就是为什么今天的韩国人和满州人有着共同的祖先，甚至北京这地方过去是另一个古老的韩国城市，曾经由朝鲜人统治。秦汉把他们驱逐到辽东，然后他们成功地扩展到了现在的朝鲜。去读三国志。 1

grr r

@KoreanSentry oh lord, what?? Beijing was a old Korean city? first of all, Beijing was Yan kingdom’’s(Chinese) capital during the Zhou dynasty it was called Jizhou, nothing to do with Koreans, plus the Yan kingdom was canonized by the Zhou dynasty before the Gugoryeo kingdom was founded, the city was also older than Gugoryeo kingdom. Liaodong had both Chinese and Korean population during the Zhou dynasty, not to mention many Koreans were refugees who feld from China during the end of the Shang dynasty and the warring states period. For example: Qizi Chaoxian(joseon) was founded by the royal family of the Shang dynasty who fled to northern korea.

啊？？北京是一个古老的韩国城市？首先，北京是燕国的（中国）都城，周朝时它被称为冀州,与朝鲜人无关，加上燕国在高句丽成立前被周朝封为圣国，这座城也比高句丽国还要古老。辽东在周朝时期有中国人和朝鲜人，更不用说许多朝鲜人是商朝末期和战国时期从中国来的难民。例如：箕子朝鲜是商朝皇室逃到朝鲜建立的。 0

KoreanSentry

@Ji Weida Zhou Chinese team found 1500 years old Korean tomb n Beijing. It’’s quite large one, believed to be belonged to very higher status person.visitbeijing.or.kr/article.php?number=10700

中国团队在北京发现了1500年前的朝鲜古墓。相当大的一个，相信是属于地位很高的人。看连接…. 0

Current

Korean history foundation is debating that Beijing might have been old Joseon capital before they were collapsed after series of war between Han and Chaoxian. Beijing was re-captured by Koguryo after war with Sui and Tang but soon lost it again. Look it up man. There’’s growing optimism that old Korea might have been inside China and then moved to Korea.

韩国当前的历史基金会正在研究北京可能是老朝鲜首都，在韩和朝鲜之间的一系列战争爆发之前就已经崩溃了。北京在与隋唐战争后被高句丽重新占领，但很快又失去了它。查一下，伙计。已经有越来越多的人认为，旧朝鲜可能在中国境内，然后迁往韩国。 0

grr r

@KoreanSentry You literately just sent me a lix full of Korean text, if you think this is convincing then that would be stupid.Plus, a tomb is far from making your statement evidential. Plus we don’’t even know if its true, since Korean fabricated many of its and neighbouring countries’’ history. Like for example the Chinese medicine was invented by Koreans, Chinese writing and clothing was invented by Koreans, Chinese are descendant of Koreans, Japanese are descendant of Korean, Japanese sword is invented by Korean etc. This makes your Korean website very not believable. the Goguryeo kingdom was founded during the Zhou dynasty, however Beijing was already built before this time period. and was ruled by the Yan kingdom (vassal of Zhou) there is no evidence proving that Gugoryeo invaded and captured Beijing from the Zhou dynasty.

However I think you might be talking about the Qizi Chaoxian(refugees of the shang dynasty who established the Qizi Chaoxian of korea)Shang dynasty did ruled Beijing, and they were Chinese not Koreans. many of their royal families and northern population did fled to Korea.

你刚给我发了一个链接，里面全是韩文，如果你觉得这很有说服力那就太蠢了。

另外，坟墓远不能证明你的陈述。另外，我们甚至不知道这是不是真的，因为韩国捏造了它和邻国的许多历史。比如中医是韩国人发明的，汉字和汉服是韩国人发明的，中国人是韩国人的后代，日本人是韩国人的后代，日本剑是韩国人发明的等等，你的韩国网站很不可信。

高句丽王国是在周朝建立的，但是北京早在这个时期之前就已经建立了。并被燕国（周诸侯国）统治，没有证据证明古高丽在周朝入侵并攻占北京。

不过，我想你可能是在说箕子朝鲜（建立箕子朝鲜的是商朝难民）统治了北京，他们是中国人而不是韩国人。他们的许多皇室成员和北方居民确实逃到了朝鲜。 0

KoreanSentry

@Ji Weida Zhou It wasn’’t Goguryeo, it was Old Chaoxian, original Chaoxian pre-dates Shang Jizi, beside we don’’t know who was Jizi other than he’’s just mentioned from old text. So there’’s big gap. Yes, there’’s deeper connection between ancient Korean and people in that Liaoxi-Liaodong coz they became Koreans. Mind you name Korea comes from Goguryeo as Goguryeo’’s originally was called Kori or Goryo. Chaoxian was old Chinese name for people of Kori as it literally translate into as Kori in native Korean. Hence Koreans are still using their old name for themselves. How about China? It’’s comes from Qin Dynasty, so they weren’’t directly related to Old Chaoxian. Go & read some old primary texts on old Korean people from your own Chinese texts, Old Korea pre-dates Zhou and Qin as well. Korean scholars now accepts that some ruling clans of Yan, Qi and Shang and even Wu have fled to Korea where they’’re at Liaoxi-Liaodong, then when they were again hunted by Qin-Han, they finally fled to where Korea is now. This is why Yan bronze artefacts are found all over Korea, but we know Koreans do not share blood relation with modern Chinese, why? Coz your Chinese people fled to south when Qidan, Xiongnu, Jurchen tribes invaded Northern regions of China and this became the what is known as China today. Chinese from Yellow river got mixed with Yangtze river folks which is why there’’s difference. When these Yan, Qi, Wu people came to Korea, Korea was already colonized by Tungus speaking tribes, so they fought another war, this made some of them to move to Japan, so there’’s complex connection. It’’s not easy to define who was authentic anymore.

不是高句丽，是旧朝鲜，比箕子朝鲜都早，我们也没听说过箕子。这些差异很大。在辽西辽东，旧朝鲜和朝鲜人有着很深的联系，因为他们成了朝鲜人。请记住，韩国的名字来自高句丽，因为高句丽的原名是Kori或Goryo。朝鲜是朝鲜族古老的汉语名称，因为它在韩语中字面上被写成朝鲜。韩国人仍在使用他们的旧名字。中国怎么样？你们的来源是秦朝，所以和旧朝鲜没有直接关系…去读一些关于朝鲜的古老的原始文本，从你自己的中文文本找，老朝鲜先于周和秦。韩国学者现在认为，燕、齐、商甚至吴的一些统治宗族逃到了辽西辽东的朝鲜，然后又被秦汉追捕，最后逃到了现在的朝鲜。这就是为什么在韩国各地都能找到燕青铜器，但我们知道韩国人和现代中国人没有血缘关系，为什么？因为当契丹、匈奴、女真等部落入侵中国北部地区时，你们的中国人逃到了南方，这就是为何今天的中国。黄河流域的中国人和长江流域的人之间会有区别。当这些燕、齐、吴人来到朝鲜时，朝鲜已经被通古斯族部落殖民，于是他们又打了一场战争，这使得他们中的一些人移居日本，所以有着复杂的联系。很难再定义谁是真的。（这么看来春秋战国全是韩国史了） 4

grr r

@KoreanSentry Old choxian? Korean it self is a mixed race, then what are the evidence you have in hand to prove that old choxian people have blood relation with today’’s Koreans then? the first ever recognised civilisation of East asia is the Xia dynasty, then the Shang dynasty.

And, both northern and southern Chinese shares the same paternal blood line today, which prove northern and southern Chinese are related. study have proven that Han ethnic is one of the most pure blooded ethnic group in the world.

During the wuhu period, the qidan, xianbei for example only massacred Han chinese in the north, and most northern population fled to the south. while the south’’s population are mostly Chu and Yue people who are also the descendant of the Yan-huang tribe that migrated the the south during the Xia, shang and Zhou dynasties. and then during the Han dynasty, ther was again a massive migration of northern population coming to the south.the southern native tribes however was either assimilated or fled away since their population wasn’’t able to stay independent and stop the Han Chinese from coming to south.

another thing, during the wuhu period, northern Chinese’’s population dropped from 25 million to 4 million, most did fled south, then during the sui dynasty there was the Tuhuling or"eliminating the barbarians" which caused tens of thousands of xianbei people for example to be massacred within China, and southern Jin dynasty’’s population was around 5 million. if only you could prove that these 5 million Han chinese are hybrids(which is impossible) then keep your mouth shut.

旧朝鲜？韩国人本身就是一个混血儿，那么你手头有什么证据可以证明朝鲜老百姓当时和今天的韩国人有血缘关系呢？东亚最早被承认的文明是夏朝，然后是商朝。而且，今天中国北方人和南方人有着相同的父系血缘，这证明了中国北方人和南方人是有血缘关系的。研究证明，汉族是世界上血统最纯正的民族之一。五胡时期，以契丹、鲜卑为例，北方只屠杀汉族，北方人口大多向南逃窜。而南方人口多为楚、越两族，也是夏、商、周时期南迁的炎黄部落后裔。到了汉代，北方人口又一次大规模南下。然而，南方土著部落要么被同化，要么逃离，因为他们的人口无法保持独立，阻止汉族人南下。

另一方面，在五胡时期，中国北方的人口从2500万下降到400万，大多数人是向南逃走的，然后在隋朝出现了屠胡令或“剿灭蛮族”，造成了数以万计的鲜卑人例如在中国境内被屠杀，东晋的人口约500万。如果你能证明这500万汉族人是混血儿（这是不可能的），那就闭嘴吧。 0

Juan Mateo

Jabzy I wish you could be my history teacher:)

视频主我希望你能成为我的历史老师：） 0

Jabzy

+Juan Mateo Is your history teacher that bad?

你历史老师不行？ 0

Juan Mateo

+Jabzy hey jebzy actually my history teacher is very bad she always has to make mistakes and my history test are so easy jebzy you should become a history teacher:)

其实我的历史老师很菜，她总会犯错，我的历史考试很容易，你应该成为一名历史老师：） 0

banjiu10

As a Chinese, I like how that drawing of Longwu Emperor is similar to the historical 

portrait.

身为一名中国人，我很喜欢你视频的封面画隆武，他和历史画里的好像 0

Jabzy

+banjiu10 Ha, I always like getting a little praise for these crappy drawings.

哈，我的拙作总会受到赞扬 0

Shadow L

“A barbarian slave of an empire general returned to the land of his tribe after he was free, and finally he become a king of a powerful barbarian country which destroyed the empire.” 

All these is just like a western fantasy literature story…

一个帝国将军的蛮族奴隶在他获得自由后回到了他部族的土地上，最后他成了一个强大的蛮族国王，这个国家摧毁了帝国

这一切就像一个西方幻想文学故事。。。 0

Chairman Meow

Koxinga is a Dutch translation of his Chinese title Guo Xing Ye “Lord of the Imperial Surname”. That’’s not his real name. His given name at birth is Zheng Sen. And once he joined the Ming loyalist military, the Longwu emperor renamed him Chenggong “success”, so his name known in both mainland China and Taiwan, and referred to by his contemporaries was Zheng Chenggong.

国姓爷是他的中文名的荷兰语翻译。那不是他的真名。他出生时的名字叫郑森，当他加入明朝军队后，

隆武皇帝将他改名为“成功”，所以他的名字在中国大陆和台湾都很有名，他的同时代人都称他为郑成

功。 0

Jabzy

+Chairman Meow I really bloody struggle trying to keep up with historical Chinese names.

为了对上这些中国人名我真是吐血了 0

Chairman Meow

@Jabzy It’’s actually quite a common mistake that many non-Chinese writers and historians have made in the past. I just hope people can stop making that mistake in the future, especially critically acclaimed academics in the west.

事实上，这是很多外国作家和历史学家过去犯的一个相当普遍的错误。我只希望人们今后能停止犯这个

错误，尤其是那些西方广受好评的学者。 0

Jabzy

But is it not like any British Lord in the that case? I mean just using a title rather than their name, i.e. Liverpool instead of Robert Jenkinson or Wellington over Arthur Wellesley. 

这情况，它不像那些英国君主吗？用一个头衔而不是他们的名字，比如利物浦而不是罗伯

特·詹金森或者用惠灵顿而不是亚瑟·韦尔斯利。 0

Chairman Meow

@Jabzy And that is an awful habit people have adopted, it’’s very confusing since there are many dukes of Wellington, Liverpool, etc. etc. In the same sense there are multiple nobles in Chinese history who have been granted ‘’the Imperial Surname’’.

这是人们的一个很糟糕的习惯，，这非常混乱，因为有许多威灵顿，利物浦等公爵。同样的，有许多贵

族在中国历史上被授予’‘皇室姓氏’’。 0

ValianTiger

He is also famous in Japan,cuz he is half-Japanese.

他在日本也有名，他是半个日本人（郑成功妈妈是日本人） 0

BlessAll2015KC

Right you are! “Guo Xing Ye” is his commonly known nickname. Zheng was the family name conferred to him by the Ming Emperor as part of the rewards for his loyal defence of the Ming Empire. “Zheng” was one of the 7 original Kingdoms during the Warring States era ( 771 BCE to 221 BCE ). But the family name already existed as a feudal lord’’s name during the previous Zhou Dynasty. “Zheng” continued to be one of the 5 elite family names that lasted into the mid Tang Dynasty, & commoners were not allowed to marry into these families. These elite members only marry among themselves.

说得对！“国姓爷”是他的俗称。郑是明朝皇帝赐给他的姓氏，作为他忠诚保卫明朝的奖赏之一。

“郑”是战国时期（公元前771年至公元前221年）的7个原始王国之一。但是在前一个周代，姓氏已经作为封

建王爷的名字存在了。“郑”是一直延续至中唐的五大名门之一，平民是不允许嫁入的。这些精英成员

只在他们之间通婚。 1

W Chi

Manchurian to China were like what Norman/Anglo were to England.

满洲人对中国就像诺曼人/盎格鲁人对英国一样。 0

kakashi101able

This long war was deadlier than WW1, around 25 million died.

这场旷日持久的战争比第一次世界大战死人更多，大约2500万人丧生 0

Saguntum-Iberian-Greek Konstantinopoli

I didn’’t know the queue hair style was of manchu invader culture.

我不知道这个发型是满族文化的。 0

Gabe02

It’’s crazy how during the fall of empires, more infighting occurs within the empire. You’’d expect the Ming to unify and put aside their differences to stop the Qing.

帝国垮台期间，内部发生更多的内讧，真是疯狂。你会期望明朝统一起来，抛开他们的分歧来对抗清朝 0

Malik Rahman

when the country is at its weakest its the best time to start a revolt…and its more likely the seed of rebellion has been planted and nurtured by the incompetence of Ming dynasty itself.

当这个国家处于最弱的时候，是发动叛乱的最佳时机……而且叛乱的种子更有可能是因为明朝自身的无能

所产生的。 0

Yutaka Go

Ming dynasty collapse due to endless internal rebellion cause by bad policy.

明王朝的垮台是因为恶政引发的内乱。