QA问答：我怎样才能使一个无神论者相信上帝的存在呢?_风闻

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How do I convince an atheist that there is a God?

我怎样才能使一个无神论者相信上帝的存在呢?

Mik Kaleborn

Quite simple really, you do what most Religious Authorities did to convince their initial pool of potential ‘believers’ to convert:You walk into their village with a large group of aggressive young men, put a sword to their throat and have them swear to convert/believe/adopt/affirm the reality, truth, greatness and glory of your chosen Deity or you will murder them, their wife and their children in front of the rest of the village until whoever is left believes as strongly as as is required. You may want to rape and pillage a bit anyway to drive home the point of your God’s authority before leaving them with a few Holy Men and armed ‘Warriors of God’ to ensure their continued devotion and commitment to the One True Faith.Rinse repeat from village to village and return every so often to collect tithe, draft some aggressive young men and boys to ‘The Cause’ and marry off a few of their underage girls to ensure future generations of religious fodder.After a few centuries of this your chosen God will be firmly entrenched in the psychological, emotional, cultural, familial landscape of those villages and they’ll self-sustain the belief system through parent-child indoctrination and the tendency of humans to prefer social conformity. Can last centuries or millennia in the right conditions….or until the next religious warlord comes storming through with his own band of Holy Warriors to install their One True Faith….give or take a few more underage girls to seal the deal.That is the most successful formula for propagating religion in human history as I see it. Why not go with what works?Surely you didn’t think reason, logic and the actual existence of any god or gods were the driving force behind faith did you?

回答1：

很简单的，你只需仿制大多数宗教所采取的“说服”那些潜在的“信徒”方法：

带领一群热血的圣战士冲进他们的村庄里，

把利剑抵住那些村民的喉咙，

让他们发誓皈依/相信/接受/肯定你的真理、神，

有抗命不从的，当众斩杀，杀到剩下的人信服你的神为止.

当然，你要让这些“圣战士”劫掠、强奸一番，以便他们效死力.

每到一个地方就重复上面的做法，

隔一段时间就过来征收什一税，再征召一些小年轻入伍，

再搜刮一些女孩来给他们，培养出下一代宗教“圣战士”.

这样子持续搞个几百年，你所信奉的神，

就会在这些村庄的心理、情感、文化和家庭观中牢固地扎根，

家庭灌输、人类倾向于社会整合的心理因素，会自我维持这个信仰系统的.

若没有什么意外的话，信仰你的神，会一直持续几百年甚至上千年…

或者直到下一个宗教军阀领着他的圣战士带来另一个唯一真神+一群女孩.

在我看来，这就是人类历史上最成功的传教方法.

为啥你不捡这种现成而又有效的方法呢？

你该不会是认为用理性、逻辑、证明真神存在的方式能成功的传教吧？

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Barry Goldberg

How do I convince an atheist that there is a God?

Here are the simple steps you need to follow in order to convince an atheist that there is a God.

Come up with a clear definition of what, exactly, you mean by “God.” For example:

Are you talking specifically about the Christian God of the Bible? Allah? Jehovah? One or more Hindu gods? Any of the gods worshiped by past cultures (Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Norse, Sumerian, Celtic, Mayan, etc.)?

What are the specific characteristics of the particular God you are talking about? Is this God omnipotent, omniscient and all-loving, for example?What are some specific things that this God has supposedly done, said and/or promised? The more specific you can be, the easier it will be to convince an atheist that God exists, believe me. Did this God, for example, create the universe in 6 days, destroy most of life on earth with a massive flood, etc.? Did this God promise to grant “whatsoever is asked for in faith” or that his followers would be able to handle venomous snakes and drink poison without being harmed?Once you have a clear definition of exactly what sort of God you are talking about, provide some evidence of something this God has actually done for which the only possible explanation is your God. Note that it’s not enough to simply say that “science” can’t explain something or that something is “too improbable to have occurred naturally.” All that proves is that we currently don’t have a good explanation, not that your God did it. And no fair arguing that the only explanation is some sort of nebulous “something” that exists “somewhere” that you are just now going retroactively define as “God,” either. No, it has to be something for which the particular God that you personally worship is the only possible explanation.So that’s basically it. Carefully define your God and then provide evidence of something for which your God is the only possible explanation. No moving the goalposts, no claiming that you have to first have faith in order to see or understand the evidence.

回答2：

为了让无神论者相信上帝的存在，你需要遵循以下简单的步骤：

第一步，先定义清楚你的“神”，例如：

a: 你所说的“神”是上帝？ 真主？ 耶和华？印度教里的哪个神？过去文化(希腊、罗马、埃及、挪威、苏美尔、凯尔特人、玛雅等)崇拜的神?

b： 你的“神”有什么具体的特征？ 例如这个神是全能、全知、全爱的吗？

这个神具体说过什么，做过什么， 或应许世人过什么.

相信我，你把这些描述得越具体，就越能让无神论者相信你的“神”的存在.

例如，你描述这个“神”在6天内创造了宇宙，

用一场大洪水摧毁地球上的大部分生命，等等。

你的这个神有没有应许“信主就得永生”，信主的人，被毒蛇咬也没事？

c: 一旦你对这个神有了一个明确的定义，接下来的事就是去找神迹，这些神迹的唯一可能的解释就是你的“神”.

要注意的事是，仅仅说“科学”不能解释某神迹或某神迹“太不可能是自然发生”是不够的.

你不要说“所有的这些神迹，我们目前没有科学解释，唯一的解释是“神迹”背后有某种目前尚不明确的“东西”，而现在我们追溯定义它为“神”.

不，千万不要这样说，你要做的是，一口咬定你的“神”就是那些“神迹”的唯一解释.

传教，基本上就是这样子的，先仔细地定义你的神，

然后提供证据证明你的神是唯一可能的解释。

坚定目标，不要声称必须先信主才能看到或理解“神迹”.

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Teresa Baker, 

In all seriousness, I would kneel down and pray if the God of my childhood, a heavenly, loving father, did any (and preferably all) of the following:Scooped out all the plastic out of the ocean, saying “you’ve made a bit of a mess of this, haven’t you? I’ll clean up this time, but next time you’ll have to do it.” Likewise global warming, extinction of species, destruction of rain forests.

Stopped all weapons working, world-wide. Just froze them, with a warning “if you can’t be responsible with your toys, I’ll have to confiscate them”.

Reversed global warming, with a little slap on the wrists to big industry, saying “now, now, that was naughty. You really mustn’’t spoil this Earth. Now start tidying it up or you’’ll go to bed without any supper”.Sowed luscious nutritious crops alongside running streams alongside all desperate hungry people everywhere. Made sure that distribution was open and equitable.

Made all torturers, rapists, users and abusers stand in the naughty corner, meditating in silence, before giving them effective therapy to develop empathy, understanding, insight, self-control, self-confidence etc. (whatever was needed to get the job done).

Made sure that each creation was in perfect working order before delivery.Made the holy book open, transparent, congruent, rational and non-violent, embracing the principles of loving-kindness for all.

Made sure that those in charge adhered to these same principles (or back to the naughty corner they go).

Healed the sick, the injured, those damaged by other human beings.

Gave everyone a real, equal chance to survive and grow.

Let my exhausted husband retire before his job kills him, ditto exhausted people everywhere.

I’m sure there’s more.

EDIT:

People are praying for an end to the coronavirus. I might as well add that to my list too. My mother said, “God expects us to help ourselves”. So, as helpless as we are in a calamity, not even the religious expect god-given help. God or no god, I agree. Stay at home. We don’t need god for that. But it would take a miracle for all those who don’t take the virus seriously to do the same (or the army, whichever comes first…)

回答4：

如果我儿时的上帝，慈爱的天父，做到以下任何一件事(最好是所有的事)，我就会虔诚地跪下来祈祷：

把海里的所有塑料垃圾捞干净，

说:“你们把海洋弄得有点乱，是不是? 这次我来打扫，下次你们自己打扫”还有，全球变暖，物种灭绝，雨林被破坏等问题.

在全世界范围内停止了所有武器的使用，

并警告说“如果你们不能对自己制造出来的的东西负责，我就没收它们”。

扭转了全球变暖的趋势，对那些大企业轻轻拍了一下手腕，

说:“好了，好了，不要再淘气了。你们真的不能再糟蹋这个地球了。现在开始收拾吧，否则你就不得吃晚饭，饿肚子去睡觉.”

在奔流的小溪边，在世界各地饥肠辘辘的人们身边，

播种着营养丰富的庄稼。

确保世间的财富公开、公平地分配。

让所有的施虐者、强奸犯、吸毒者和欺凌者站到一个角落里去，

给予他们有效的治疗以发展同理心、理解、洞察力、自我控制、自信等(任何需要完成工作的东西).

让这些人遵守世间其他人遵守的原则，否则就不要放他们出来.

确保每个产品在交付前都处于良好的工作状态。

使《圣经》开放、透明、一致、理性、非暴力，信奉博爱的原则。

治愈那些生病的人，受伤的人，被别人伤害的人.

给每个人一个真正的、平等的生存和成长的机会。

让我疲惫的丈夫在他的工作要了他的命之前退休吧。

我相信还有更多。

还有:

人们正在为消灭冠状病毒而祈祷。

我把它加到我的列表里。

我妈妈说:“上帝希望我们帮助自己。”所以，我们在灾难中是多么无助，就连宗教人士也不指望上帝的帮助。

不管有没有上帝，我都同意呆在家里。

我们不需要上帝，但是，对于那些不把病毒当回事的人来说，要让他们呆在家里(动用军队或动用上帝，不管哪个先出现……)，都是一个奇迹.

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Peter Miller, Atheist, bon vivant and sometime raconteur

Answered Oct 6, 2016

How do I convince an atheist that there is a God?Oh, that’s terribly easy! You just provide some unequivocal independently-verifiable physical proof that your god exists. I’d change my mind instantly if you could do that.Just because you, yourself are convinced of the existence of your god is not a good enough reason for any other person to believe you. People are convinced of all kinds of things that aren’t true that they’d like me to believe, but their conviction about those things is no basis for reasonable persuasion. Some people think that aliens are visiting us on earth, for example, and others think they can talk to the spirits of the deceased. Still others are of the belief that Scientology makes sense, or that NASA faked the moon landings. I’m not inclined to assign legitimacy to any of those things just on someone else’s conviction, no matter how strong it is.You yourself would not believe me if I told you, for example, that there was a big dragon sitting on your front lawn right now. You’d want to see it. And probably smell, it touch it and hear it too. Above all, you’d probably want some other people to see it as well, just to make sure you weren’t hallucinating.Unless you can provide some actual substantiation that your god exists, you have no advantage over any other person trying to persuade someone of an irrational belief.

我怎样才能使一个无神论者相信上帝的存在呢?

哦，那太容易了!你只需提供一些明确的、独立的、可验证的物理证据，证明你的上帝确实存在。如果你能做到这个神迹，我马上改变信仰。

仅仅因为你自己相信你的上帝的存在，并不足以成为其他人相信你的理由。

人们相信各种各样的不真实的事情，

他们希望我相信，但是他们对这些事情的信念并不是合理说服他人的基础。

例如，一些人认为外星人正在地球上拜访我们，而另一些人认为他们可以与死者的灵魂交谈。

还有一些人科学论说得通，或者认为美国宇航局伪造了登月计划。

仅仅根据他人的信念，就相信那些（虚无的）东西是真实的，这说不过去，不管他人的信念有多强大.

你自己也不会相信我的啊.

比如，如果我告诉你，现在有一条巨龙坐在你的前面草坪上，

你肯定也想确认一下是不是真有巨龙在那里.

可能你还要确认一下它的气味，摸一下它，听到它的声音，最重要的是，你可能也想让其他人也看到它，就是为了确保你没有产生幻觉。

除非你能提供一些实际的证据来证明你的神的存在，

否则你就没有任何优越感去说服别人去相信一个不合理的信仰.